Bathroom Remodeling Part 4 [Shower Half Wall support]
Watch Part 5 of the Bathroom Remodel Series: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI_95kMVoI8&NR
Read the compete article here: http://www.aconcordcarpenter.com/how-to-plan-a-bathroom-remodel.html
Carpenter and builder Rob Robillard from http://www.AConcordCarpenter.com offers advice on bathroom remodeling. This video is part 3 of a several part video series being filmed as we remodel a bathroom. This episode deals with adding additional stiffening support to a shower half wall.
View Video #5: Planning steps and coordination needed in a bath remodel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI_95kMVoI8
Best Way to Reinforce A Half Wall
Whether you call it a half wall, knee wall or Pony wall the issue is the same. What is the best way to go about reinforcing a half wall? No one likes a wobbly wall or the cracked plaster and tile that result from it.
We typically see half walls separating stair opening and replacing railings and balusters at stairs. We also see them alot in bathrooms; separating a toilet /sink or at a shower that has 1/2 glass partitions. [photo right]
Stiffening a Half Wall:
Reinforcing a half wall can be accomplished many different ways. I’ve done many different things over the years from adding 1/2″ plywood to a half wall to inserting threaded rods down into the framing below.
Using Threaded Rod to Stiffen the Half Wall:
The threaded rod method works great when reinforcing a half wall, but is hard to do and super time consuming. It requires using 1/2″ to 5/8″ threaded rod from the top wall plate down to blocking in the structural floor below. The use of upside down joist hangers is reommended to add tensioning strength to the blocking.
Securing the Half Wall Old School:
One method that works extremely well, if the floor joists and half wall line up to install 1/2″ plywood over the wall and down past the subfloor and onto the floor joist.
Another method is to run the half wall 4×4 outer post down into the framing and to bolt it to a joist of similar blocking and use (2) 1/2″ through bolts to attach 4×4 wood posts to the floor system. Similar to a newel post.
The reality is that we dont have all day to futzs with this but we need a strong wall.
Using Simpson DDT2 connectors: An easier way
I treat my half walls similar to deck rail posts attachments but use two Simpson DTT2 Tension Tie connectors to do it. The DTT2 is a safe, cost-effective way to attach half walls to the floor framing below with either bolts [if applicable] or most likely using threaded rod. [note – this is the same system I use on deck framing see short video]
In order for this system to work you need to be able to get into the floor below. In the case of a bathroom remodel you should plan on building your half wall before the subfloor goes in or at least plan on leaving that section of the floor open.
Floor joists never line up for me so adding structural blocking is most likely going to be a reality. I use the DDT2 ties to connect the outer most 4×4 wall studs to the framing below.
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I live in a condo that has a concrete floor, I would like to build a half wall in my shower reno, I get the idea of the simpson bracket, how would I deal with the concrete floor
I just finished a shower with a knee wall. I think ur process is good but when I do it I double up on the flooring and use PL construction adhesive. I use 2×6 construction. Don’t have any defection. 2 x4 wall not so sure about that. Thanks for the video … I’ll try it next time.
Using 2×6 with blocking will be as sturdy as well.
Waste of time all you have to do is cut end stud through the floor and block around it
Do you think this method would work for supporting a 2' wide floating desk which has a long length?
Honestly you hould have a 2x to hold the corners together. But once you tighten the all thread you are golden. I often dont bother wasting money on the hdu’s i just use a 3” square washer inset in a double top plate.
Btw. Excellent work.
I cannot locate the HD7B Bolt Down Anchor. I HAVE located the Simpson Strong-Tie HTT4 Hold Down Tension Tie. Is this beefy enough? I'm building a 3 foot tall 6 ft long shower wall…glass above, etc. Thanks in advance.
It worked really well! I had to have my 13 year old go into the crawl space, we got her done!
Yeah, but what if you don’t have a joist and are putting your half wall straight down on concrete?